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What is the relationship between my parents? Discovering Jewish dna as an almist endless circle!

 

What is the relationship between my parents?

By Norbert Weinberg

 

Many years back, I started investigating my family tree, as I knew that both my parents were descended from major rabbinic families. That ancestry included the family of Rabbi Yomtov Lippmann Heller and the family of Rabbi Akiba Eiger. I also knew that my parents shared a common three and four generations above. This is the family chart, adapted from Geni.com.

The top blue line traces the ancestry path from myself, Norbert Weinberg, through my father, Willaim Weinberg, then his mother, Binah Zarwanitzer, and finally, his grandfather, Moses Zarwanitzer. The bottom blue line traces from myself, through my mother, Irene, nee Gottdenker, through her father, Norbert (Nachman) Gottdenker, through his mother, Sossia Gottdenker, the daughter of the aforementioned Moses Zarwanitzer. The red line indicates where the same ancestor sits on the two lineages.

In short, my father’s grandfather is my mother’s great-grandfather, albeit from different wives.

 The black lines indicate lineage from prominent Rabbinic families – Kahana (descendants of R. Yom Tov Lippman Heller) and Eger ( Iger, Eiger, descendants of R. Akiba Eiger).

I posted my DNA kit to a program called gedmatch.com, which has a variety of research tools not available on other genealogy websites. I asked the program to run an “Are your parents related” test.

What this tool does

Are Your Parents Related analyzing one DNA kit for long homozygous regions, also called ROH. These are areas where both copies of a person's DNA are unusually similar. When a person has large or repeated ROH regions, it may suggest that their biological parents share a common ancestor.”

The results?

“This analysis suggests the person's parents are probably related.

  • Largest reported segment: 26.7 cM
  • Total reported ROH > 7 cM: 91.1 cM
  • Reported regions: 6 “

Then it may this assessment:

“Based on 91.1 ROH shared cM. …

Relationship Type    and Estimated Probability

3C Group (Third cousins)

37.5% but also 2C2R (2nd cousin twice removed) Half-2C1R (Half-2nd cousins once removed) and Half-1C3R (Half 1st cousins, thrice removed).

2C1R Group 29.2%, 3C1R Group 18.0%.

 I queried Google AI to explain these terms based on my chart and test results:

“I have noted those branches of your family tree. When relatives share only one common ancestor (like a grandfather) instead of a couple (both a grandfather and grandmother), the relationship is prefixed with half-Relationship Name. Because your parents descend from different wives of Moses Zarwanitzer, they are half-second cousins once removed.

  • The "Half" Factor: Standard second cousins share a full set of great-grandparents. Your parents only share one great-grandfather (or great-great-grandfather depending on the line), making them "half" cousins. Your Relationship: You are a descendant of a half-consanguineous marriage.

Family Tree Abbreviations

In genealogy database records, Ahnen Tafel charts, and pedigree software, this specific connection is denoted using these abbreviations:

  • H2C1R – Half-second cousins once removed (the direct shorthand for their relationship)

This is the relationship that the Gedmatch listed as the most probable from the DNA!

AI went one step further: How much genetic material do my parents share?

  • Average Shared DNA: ~0.78%. Expected Genetic Range: 0% to 1.5%
  • Estimated Shared Centimorgans (cM): ~53 cM (with a typical statistical distribution range between 0 cM and 100 cM).

However, my results showed 91cM, almost double the expected amount for this connection. Largest segment = 26.7 cM. Total of segments > 7 cM = 91.1 cM.

I informed AI of my parents’ shared ancestry from the old rabbinic lines.

“Yes, this confirms exactly where the extra shared DNA is coming from.

Knowing that your mother's maternal side connects back to Kahana relatives in the 1700s–1800s bridges the final gap. This historical data directly explains the breakdown in your GEDmatch chart. [1]

How the Kahana Connection Explains the DNA

In traditional European Jewish communities (where surnames like Kahana and Zarwantizer are highly prominent), it was extremely common for families to intermarry across multiple generations in the same region. [2, 3, 4] By having Kahana ancestors on your mother's side, your parents do not just share Moses Zarwanitzer. They also share a deeper, older layer of Kahana/Zarwantizer ancestry further up the tree. This hidden layout changes how your segments are interpreted:

  • The Single-Line Segment: The 26.7 cM segment on Chromosome 4 likely stems from the more recent, direct connection—the split-wife lineage of Moses Zarwanitzer.
  • The Deeper-Line Segments: The 21.4 cM (Chr 15) and 15.7 cM (Chr 20) segments are very likely blocks inherited from those older 18th-century Kahana lines. Because your mother's maternal family kept those blocks intact within their population loop, your parents both inherited the exact same chunks.

What This Means for Your Tree

This setup is a classic example of pedigree collapse and minor endogamy. Your tree is narrowing down as you move backward, meaning the same individuals are filling multiple spots on your fan chart. [5]

Because of this, your parents share more genetic traits than a standard pair of half-second cousins once removed. This historical overlap is why their total shared DNA is inflated to 91 cM rather than sitting closer to the statistical average of 53 cM.”

 

AI did not pick up on the Eiger connection here and only based itself on the likelihood of the Kahana family ancestry. However, I have some old charts shared to me by other researchers that show the multiple overlaps in rabbinic families. Such as this one:

My paternal grandmother’s side and my maternal grandmother’s side shared this common ancestor, Moses Aaron Leml Teomim-Frankel (https://www.jewgenpedia.com/families/teomim) who passed away over 4 centuries ago!

 

 

 

[1] https://whoareyoumadeof.com

[2] https://encyclopedia.yivo.org

[3] https://www.facebook.com

[4] https://www.familysearch.org

[5] https://www.facebook.com

 



 

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